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13 Aug 2012, 3.30PM
59 comments & replies |by REACH Administrator | Our Common Space
Original thread created on 10 Aug 2012, 2:17 PM

A committee of younger ministers, led by Education Minister Heng Swee Keat, has been tasked to engage Singaporeans in a 'national conversation' that will take a fresh look at Singapore’s approaches and policies to prepare Singapore for future challenges.

In a press statement recently, Minister Heng said, “However, before getting into the specifics of policies, we should have a broader conversation about ourselves: What do we want our country, Singapore, to be in 2030? What are our ideals? What principles should underpin our public policies and what values should guide us as a people? What attributes will enable us to attain our ideals?"

Channel NewsAsia reported Minister Heng as saying that his team would engage Singaporeans, through different platforms. More details on the 'national conversation' will be provided in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile Senior Minister of State for Education Lawrence Wong said, “Certainly when we look at policies, there should not be OB markers or sacred cows. We are prepared to look at a broad range of policies, depending on what's important to Singaporeans".  The Straits Times today reported that like Mr Heng, Mr Wong also stressed the need to get Singaporeans to talk about what values they find important and what they would like the nation to be in the future.

"That conversation needs to start first so we have at least some general consensus around where we would like Singapore to go, then we can talk about policies", Mr Wong added.

What are your views on this 'national conversation' initiative? How can we be part of this conversation about your concerns, hopes and aspirations?

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Updated on 13 Aug 2012

Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong urged Singaporeans to contribute their views on what they want for Singapore, "whatever their age or views", by speaking to MPs and ministers either through dialogues or in writing.  He was speaking at a National Day Dinner in his Marine Parade constituency on Saturday.

Welcoming the set-up of a new ministerial committee led by Education Minister Heng Swee Keat to conduct a broad-based review of the Government's policies and direction, Mr Goh said that this would be part of a national effort to build consensus on the country's future as called for by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. 

He added that the Government has good policies to address key concerns like public transport and immigration, but it needs to "connect the dots" so people can see that its policies are "part of a larger, holistic vision to look after them and improve their lives".

To achieve this, Mr Goh said that there has to be a "two-way conversation" between Singaporeans and the Government so that a consensus on Singapore's challenges and future can be built.

Read The Straits Times article ‘National conversation on common future welcomed: Goh Chok Tong’ for the full story.

What are your views on this?  How can we further our engagement efforts to develop a better understanding of policy issues and build a consensus on Singapore’s challenges and future?  Share your thoughts with us! 

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Guest
10 Aug 2012, 2.39PM
Dear Heng Swee Kiat, please shut down casinos -  "national conversation" on future.
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 2.40PM
Dear Heng Swee Kiat, reduce foreigners to 700K - "national conversation" on future and reduce PRs to 200K.

Nobody going to believe this PR exercise until foreigners are reduce to 700K and PRs to 200K.
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.08PM
How do you reduce PRs .. send them back home or execute them?
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 3.24PM
PRs to decide to become citizens within 3 years, failing which no more PRs, within 3 years, PRs will be reduced to 200K.
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 6.05PM
Shut down all gambling activities like betting stations and casinos
Guest
11 Aug 2012, 10.21AM
Now this is not being realistic to shut down Singapore pools, gambling and prostitution will never go ahead, we should revert back to old Singapore where we have Singapore pools and Geylang.

It is the casinos that allow quick turnover of gambling resulting in addiction and great increase in crimes and rampant prostitution that tagged along with casinos.

It is only after casinos are up that Singapore went haywire and citizens become very unhappy.

Reverting back is the best with just Singapore pools is the best solution.
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.01PM
The majority of visitors to the casino are foreigners .. they bring in money and our hotels are fully occupied .. and so are F&B outlets .. Singaporeans who gamble need to blame themselves ... the casino help us to maintain our economy .. if you suggest closure .. what other options can you propose? ... open up "PROS" dens????
Guest
20 Aug 2012, 4.27PM
That's what u say. Then why not ban Singaporeans since you say for tourists. Data shows 70% are Singaporeans and PRs gambling. Shut down casinos, bad karma for everybody.
Guest
26 Aug 2012, 5.22PM
You mean as long as Singaporeans dont gamble and become addicted...never mind the foreigners.... its ok? It is ok for Singapore to have an institution to break up families of foreigners...but as long as we are not hurt ourselves (our people dont go there or have problem gamblng)...it is right to earn that money?

It is BLOOD MONEY.
Righteousness exalts a nation.
Money earned at the expense of our neighbours- is not good money.
Nothing good will come out of it. We reap what we sow.
Close the casinos!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 12.17PM

What are some of Singapore's Future Challenges?
1. Economic stability
2. Inclusive society
3. Celebrating diversity

I once wrote an email to MCYS about marriage, parenthood and childcare issues.  The officer said it will take them some time to respond to my email because I covered a large range of issues across many ministries - Hello!  Wake up - in today's landscape, everyone's talking about cross ministry, inter-disciplinary....

Anyway... I leave item no. 1 to the government.  Let me (AGAIN!!) give my 2 cents worth about building an inclusive society.  PM Lee wants to build an inclusive society, focus on heartware, blah blah blah.....  MCYS wants it, and they are even restructuring the cabinet to pay more attention to this.  However... MOE, from P3, train us how not to be inclusive.  We go through streaming and continue to live in this protected capsule with people within the same IQ range, and in many schools, people with parents within similar income brackets.  

Through various lessons, competitions, and projects, we are carefully groomed into the concept of competition, staying ahead, and the misconception that the world evolves around us.  Parents put so much effort into our tuition, enrichment classes, etc. Some of us are so sure about ourselves, we think PAP surely owes us a university education, too!  Please, don't blame us - we were groomed to think that way.

So, this is how generations after generations of us that were streamed from P3 thinks.  No, we do not know that the guy in normal stream has talent - we only know what he has not - IQ.  And those that didn't go for overseas programmes have no money.  To us, life is all about being on top and staying on top.  Money and influence. 

And then, when we are all working adults, you expect us to be concerned about issues such as low wage workers?  Oh, and building that eldercare centre in my backyard?  No way!  Pregnant colleagues?  OMG!  What?  Have a family???  (mentally calculates the P&L)...

Instead of putting so much money into trying to brainwash the adults, why not we start them young and relook into our education system?  Which part of it advocates inclusive society, if we stream them at P3?  If children as young as P1 needs tuition, how does that leave them time to run at the tracks, or pick up that bat, or ball, or racket?  Then we get all this thing about "WORK LIFE BALANCE"... how to balance, if from young we are already so single-minded on academic?  And then, people forget that teachers are people, too!  They also need work life balance, have a family, etc.

Mr Heng, I hope you will try to do something about the education policies....





Guest
13 Aug 2012, 2.05PM
I personally feel that streaming is good for education .. putting together the cohorts of students with about the same level of IQ ensures that the teaching is pitched at the level of the students intellectual capability .. it is not about inclusivity .. putting students with varied IQs will only impede learning by students with highr IQ .. why penalise these high IQ students .. we should groom them .. rather than ask thme to be with students with lower IQ ..
Guest
29 Aug 2012, 3.16PM
If what you say is correct, Than why is our country face with some many issues which relate to
the conduct & quality of it's people. Something must be wrong with the edu system.
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15 Aug 2012, 9.01AM
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Guest
10 Aug 2012, 4.18PM
This is a step in the right direction.

I would also suggest that the Government agencies coordinate their efforts and policies more than was done in the previous few years. If they did, we might have been able to cope better with the recent changes. This is not China or US or India. Surely the Government agencies can communicate with each other to ensure policies move in the same direction and at similar pace.
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.17PM
This pushing around minisries is still very common .. PM Lee analogy of the DUCK TOUR fiasco is still prevalent .. can't these civil servants paid by tax payers collaborate to provide a one stop service .. remember they are "servants"!!!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.26PM
The problem is the ownership of the problem. In whatever organisations whether public or private, nobody wants to take the responsibility because of risk of poor job performance reviews, lack of managerial backing, and so on.
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 6.08PM
National Conversation talk , when is it,where is it and how many days/months do the new ministries want talk. I still want to hear about economics,social issues .
PLEASE BROADCAST YOUR INFO to all media resources (eg.Tv,radio,Facebook,websites) so that ALL SINGAPOREAN CAN REACH YOU.

After the conversation, pls announce your action through new and old media.
Provide reasons,statisitics for your action.

Thank You
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 9.11PM
another Wayang Minister?

Has Heng identified the Top 10 ERRORS of PAP and how to avoid it? Otherwise, it is another dumb rabbit walking round the trap not knowing it is in the pit.
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 10.58PM
Apart from poorly coordinated and executed immigration and infrastructure policies, there are other policies which are making things harder for Singaporeans. The creeping commercialization of public goods and services over the past decade and half should never have started in the first place and needs to be rolled back. It was and is unacceptable for the Government to profit from activities for which citizens have already paid taxes.
Guest
11 Aug 2012, 7.47AM
Is National Service issue in your agenda?

Currently , for NSmen there are 10 ICT, mindef website state "minimum 7 High key and 3 low".
However, NSmen can be called up to max of 10 High key with no low key. Now, it depend on your vocations/units prefrence to do that.

If standardising the number of high key and low key ICT is possible, eg 8 High key and 2 low key ICT.
With the low key ICT, lesser days will be needed and less disruption for NSMen who can more time to manage other issues.

This suggestion only give citizens to treated fairly on NS policy regardless of vocations/units.
Guest
11 Aug 2012, 3.03PM
Can Singaporeans remember GCT's Singapore 21? Many thousands happily participated. Where is it now?

Fat MaMa
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 3.47PM
"How can we further our engagement efforts to develop a better understanding of policy issues and build a consensus on Singapore’s challenges and future?"

Use REACH. Reach is a good forum to offer feedback, and it is well run, but the feedback given depends on how general the questions Reach decides to ask. Reach could consider setting up a featured topic for the week.
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.33PM
Award govt and GKC projects to local SMEs .. if the govt is serious about promoting the SMEs .. then award projects to thse SMEs so that they can grow and prosper ...
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.44PM
Set KPIs for Ministers and Head of GLCs to award such projects to SMEs .. otherwise, their varaible bonus will be cut
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 1.42PM
HYFLUX .. is a good example .. without the support of the Singapore govt .. HYFLUX will not be what the company is now ...
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 6.49PM

1 challenge for the future 2012-2022 is the huge generation gap- between current over 45's and under 25's in technical knowledge and bridging the chasm.

The older gen are proud to learn from the youngsters, and our youth are too impatient to teach the old from scratch.

The retrenched workers are growing from the older aged group leaving the workforce gates open.

How shall we address this immobile disparity?

Guest
15 Aug 2012, 10.23AM
This is a serious problem.

The less regimented upbringing of the young and the incessant media telling them all the great things that are out there for their taking appears to have goto to the heads of the young, resulting in many of them becoming unbelievably impatient and swollen headed about their abilities. There are so many of them who scratch the surface of the jobs they are at, think everything is easy and that they know it all and jump for another job in another industry. This strategy might work for certain generalist lower to mid management level positions. But it doesn't work for higher level, technical and specialised positions. And look at the profile of the unemployed in the west now - mostly poorly skilled people with generalist qualifications.
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 1.44PM
Who is at fault here .. PARENTS, of course  .. cannot blame the govt ..
Guest
10 Aug 2012, 10.45PM

This is a right move.  

Keep it up!

What is the timeline?

Guest
10 Aug 2012, 11.02PM
There had been many such type of reviews lah, you not aware meh? nothing new.
Guest
11 Aug 2012, 2.26AM
Not suprising people dont know,  Majority of Singaporean works and are busy. News only show after reviews or talk being done. Who knows,well, closest to them know only. Different people, different ways to get invited like facebook, website news or conventional media.
Guest
11 Aug 2012, 11.32AM
Please accord the Death sentence on Litterbugs! (I'm serious).
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 1.46PM
What a joke .. DEATH SENTENCE for littering ... must as well say death senetence for traffic accidents .. like the FERRARI incident .. or spitting in public ...
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 3.48PM
I know it is a "joke"?

You can tell that to the Minister of the Environment, Dr Vivian Balakrishnan.

Funny that you are laughing!

We spend Millions every year in the Cleaning budget of Singapore because of littering and litterbugs.

When these very same Millions can be used to..............."feed the poor, homeless..." (I am quoting others, who think we spend obscene amounts spendthriftly). 

Anyway if you are a tax payer, your money is spent for the cleaning........you can think (even laugh)?!

I speak my peace. (You can litter and spit, and laugh, and wait till you get caught & fined!)
Guest
16 Aug 2012, 4.23PM
Isn't it better to eduacte each and everyone to "clean" after they have eaten .. especailly in fast food and hawker centres .. then no need for cleaners .. reduce cost and the food prices at these centres can posibily come down .. why this cannot work in Singapore?
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angel_lelee
12 Aug 2012, 12.24AM
Hi, I'm deeply concerned that not having young Singaporens to replace and support old Singaporeans like me in the future is a big issue.  But, with all due respect, Mr Heng, the ministry you're the boss at seem to be the source of culprit for this woe.

I wrote some time ago that not all ministries share the same passion to support the pro-family policies that our top leaders, such as both Sr and Jr Lees, are displaying great concern over.  If MOE can't educate its own high-ranking staff to do right on pro-family, how to for the rest of the "non-values-concerned" ministries like MAS or National Parks?  How to for the private sector bosses who pay pregnant women out of their own pockets when school principals who are not even paymasters are too concerned about being competitive?

Now, there's this "Cross-Ministry" effort?? Then, start with education.  Give MOE a proper education about correct values that people should be cultured with that will last them for eternity.

Too tired to say more.  You can look at this article I wrote to Straits Times and MOE after reading about NTUC proposing 6 months paid maternity leave.  Feel free to comment or add if you know of similar cases of civil servants who are anti-national policy.  

I hope "Cross-Ministry" not equal ministry A cover ministry B's backside for the damage the other has done

Subject: 6 months paid leave for mums? Not even 6 days childcare leave at MOE

Dear ST,
 
I know about the story on the forum below.  It's true.  If the government, even schools where they should be talking of values, put $ and principal's bonus above staff welfare, there's no way women going to get 6 months paid leave.  Not in a hundred years, global climate gets only more competitive.  I experienced it before. 

My niece's principal tells her school's staffs that singapore schools don't have the luxury to allow teachers to have 6-days childcare leave that PM Lee called for, because teachers already have school holidays.  As a result, I look after her son when he's sick because I'm a retiree, not her.  She tells me based on policy, she doesn't even need to show an MC for childcare, but her principal tells them to seek her permission privately before they apply.  If not, she doesn't approve.  Check it out, ST. I heard of cases of pressure-induced miscarriages too at other schools, it's such a shame.
 
If lee lip hong is guilty for a personl life fraud, and peter lim for corporate fraud, then violations like these on national policies, by national agencies, is a more severe form of corruption and fraud.  Don't know other ministries, but at least at moe, many principals are definitely clamping down on national birth rate.  School ranking the culprit?  Principals are getting immoral because their bosses at moe are not sure what Education is about.  Fire the principals' bosses for leading to be kiasu too.

If government ministries like that, schools some more, what else you expect private sector or self-employed bosses to be open to "pro-family"?  The government can't even get those on its paylist to cooperate, how to?
 
Do something, ST.  You keep reporting on sensational news people like Lee Lip Hong and the law professor?  The damage they do is peanuts compared to these black sheeps.  One miscarriage is one life lost.  So, ST, don't go keep harping on tabloid news just for the money.  No social responsibility.

Regards.

 
Read on:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/6-months-paid-leave-mum-article-sunday-times-3825628.html
 
sorry, moe also dun encourage giving birth hor
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hey man, u got it all wrong. i heard in northspring primary in rivervale, a teacher got warned for getting pregnant AT THE WRONG TIME. the bosses ask her why she transfer in at start of yr, get pregnant fast, and need give birth before dec holidays even come. like she transfer to the sch to have easier time to have babies like that. heard she had to finish all the work given to her for the year, before she allowed to go on early maternity leave. and told not to take childcare leave for her already born child, as she's already gonna get free leave she goes for delivery. oh gosh. this is not just a sch, but non bukit timah or central area school! the principal dun even pay the teacher from own pocket, and already so ks about performance. so u trust mom, moe or ntuc abt encouraging birth? u'll only see pr-babies in 10 yrs, no more singapore singaporea babies.

Guest
13 Aug 2012, 11.11AM
School teachers have the luxury of long vacation during school holidays .. I think it is too much for teachers to take other leave... if they do, who will be at the schools when they are on these "special" leave ... poor school children will have to go without teachers for the day .. how sad!!!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 6.16AM
As the Committee will be made up of "younger" min isters .. hope thew committee will be myopic and look at the wishes of the young .. the OLD need to be taken care of more .. these OLD will b emade up at least one third of the population .. these OLDIES built up Singapore to where Singapore is now .. these OLDIES should be be sidelined ande left to "die" by the roadside
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 3.56PM
While I agree that we should maintain a business friendly environment, I also think that the authorities need to take a more hands on approach when it comes to how business do business in Singapore.

Here are some instances:

1) it is not as easy to find public pay phones these days. Having a phone has become more of a must. As such, mobile phone price plans at the most basic level should be monitored to ensure that it is keep low regardless of the take up rate;

2) watching sports becoming more and more costly. Authorities should step in and ensure that general sporting channels like ESPN are not packaged together with premium sports products like the english premier league (EPL). Products like the EPL are sold separately as a product, so that the cost does not affect those who want to watch other sports;

3) in a recent television advertisement, a company used children to sell financial planning. While there is nothing wrong with it, moral and ethically questions should be asked whether it is appropriate.

Businesses are given many freedoms in terms of how they run their businesses, but there has been issues that have come up due to their lack of ability to self regulate like the hiring of foreign workers. More needs to be done to ensure the businesses do businesses in proper manner and consumer rights are looked after pro-actively rather than reactively.
 
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.04PM
Please rid the scourge of littering once and for all.

Please make the fine $1500 minimum.

Please allow citizens to make citizens arrests, so that anyone can be a witness, and the culprits when caught and fined, the citizens can pocket $1000 from the $1500 fine.

It will be a double edge sword.

It will enrich any Singapore citizen and it will reduce the scourge of litter and litterbugs!

The NEA and this Government of this day is not doing a "fine" job!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.11PM
Is tacking "litering" a priority for the nation to tackle .. I am sure we have other pressing issues to address .. BTW .. if you travel around the region, the other countries have more serious littering problem .. Singapore is considered clean ... it is clean because we have many foreigners doing this job for Singaporean .. chase foreigners away and rubblish will be everywhere
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.18PM
Littering is physical, and is a National issue. It reflects the "mindset" of the litterbug.  

Litterbugs are anti-social misfits, who are a menace to our society.

As it is, after all these years, we are not cleaner, the environment is getting more disgusting with litter stewn everywhere! 

Not increasing the severity of fines against litterbugs is encourging them to continue their disgusting habits while leaving litter for cleaners, and mentally "torturing" clean-living Singaporeans who love the environment, and a clean living Singapore city!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.36PM
The majority of litterbus are aunties and uncles ... impose caning?? But age may prevent them from receiving this .. how?

For a start .. I think ,, can rid of cleaner at fast food outlets .. ask customers to throw their waste into bins provided .. this is very common in western countries .  WHY Singaporean will not do this???
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 4.46PM
As far as litter is concerned, I dont care who the litterbugs are, what age, what race, what excuse.

I have seen enough and sick of it. 

I have seen many times teens, and school going kids, young adults litter. They are not illiterate, infact they are just born and bred scums.

I did not say caning for deterence. You did.

I advocate the death sentence!

What mind is a litterbugs' that after quenching his thirst from a bottled drink, he dumps the bottle or drink cup, right on the spot!
 
This world is shared, it is not just for the scum to litter freely! 

If you do not litter you should have no fear what stiff the penalty is for littering!    
 


Guest
13 Aug 2012, 5.33PM
Mad fella. Any how death sentence. Talk is easy when you're anonymous and behind the screen isn't it, boy?!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 5.37PM
Dont call me boy, you scum!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 5.39PM
I am not a mad fella, you siow!
Guest
13 Aug 2012, 5.45PM
"Talk is easy when you're anonymous and behind the screen isn't it"

+++++++++

Let me tell you my name : Clever

I know yours : Stu*pid!
Guest
15 Aug 2012, 1.25PM
Govt is currently thinking of making death sentence lesser ... and you acn suggessting DEATH SENTENCE for litterbugs .. what logic?
Guest
16 Aug 2012, 4.29PM
How about the death sentence for those who do clear their waste into the bins provided .. it may be be effective!!!
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