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You seem to see a 10 cents coin is bigger than a wheel of bullock cart.

Most ppl can understand the charge is for a good cause. You are in the minority of the ppl.

If it is not about money, I don't believe you would oppose bag charges. Be honest.

Nothing wrong to talk about money. I have said customers could pay less if businesses charged them for bags issued. If businesses give customers 10 cents for every bag saved, I believe it will be welcomed.

National Environment Council asked supermarkets to take the lead in charging customer for bags issued, they said they would prefer the govt legislate. Why? Your exploitation argument hold no water.

To incentivise ppl for using their own bags, why is it not possilbe?

It would be better u keep your mouth shut.

"Free no want and insist on paying."

Your comprehension fails.

You seem to see a 10 cents coin is bigger than a wheel of bullock cart.

Most ppl can understand the charge is for a good cause. You are in the small minority of the ppl.

After so many threads about plastic bags, you should realised by now that not everybody believe in charging for plastic bags.

Has there been  a policy which was accepted by everybody?

"Has there been  a policy which was accepted by everybody?"

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If that is what one wanted to say to Stinky Brainy, then one should have said that.

that Stinky person is not in the minority! Read earlier threads!

That msg is not directed to Stinky.

When bag charges are implemented, most ppl would accept it.Not only in S'pore, other countries have the same experiences.So is Stinky in the very small minority?So he should prepare to accept this reality.

This Stinky Brainy Black Heart says,

if anybody thinks that Stinky is the minority, then he is wrong until very good to laugh.

Go and ask any cashier in NTUC, she can tell you that when on the Bring your Own bags days, some NTUC staff were asked to TAKE LEAVE. Why?  because there were only a few souls in the big supermart.  Cashiers were waiting to serve that few si.l.ly customers. In order not to waste resources, so they cut down the staff strength.

No believe This Stinky, can go and ask.

That is why it is so funny that someone can say, "Why is it only a few stores in S'pore charge customers for bags issued now (free market situation)? "

If it is in the majority, then more stores would have already be charging for plastic bags, no need to keep writing about plastic bags, or for this or that organisation to be pushing plastic bags issue, right Stinky?

The existence of such shops is good. Those who believe strongly or very strongly that charging for plastic bag is good can go to such shops. Just imagine the time spend writing about plastic bags could have been better spent searching for such shops. There will not be a need for so many threads about plastic bags or a new thread about plastic bags ever again since such shops exist. They can shop at shops that cater to them, we can shop at shops that cater to the rest of us. They can believe what they believe, we can believe what we believe. Everybody wins.

How about a bowl of pig-brain soup?

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Nobody is stopping you from shopping at shops that charge for plastic bags.

Just like with aircon, do you think that all provision shops and food places started having aircon overnight? Consumers preference for it influenced shops towards that direction, so if you believe in charging for plastic bags, shop there.

Leave it to the free market to decide and please stop insisting your views are the only views that is right. Please respect the views of others.

Using market forces means continue the existing way. The people use p/bags wastefully and which create pollution to the air. Is this what you want?

this charging for plastic bags issue has been around for quite some time. if charging for plastic bags was so viable, many companies would have done it years ago and Bring your bag day would yield loads of money in donation. have you ever seen any shop advertise that they charge for plastic bags, so come shop from us?

how people use plastic bags is their business? it may not be practical for everyone. it does not mean that people don't care about the environment. what right have we to tell people what to do? it is up to shoppers to decide, not us to dictate what they can or cannot do? who are we to tell people that they are using plastic bags wastefully?

essentially it is like someone telling a person like yourself who believe in charging for plastic bags that they cannot shop at such shops? do we have that right? this is what you are doing, not debating. this is not respecting the views of others.

you believe so strongly that charging for plastic bags is right, so how can you believe that "using market forces means continue the existing way"? you found a shop that charge for plastic bags, so you already proven that such companies are there in the market for you to shop. it now up to the free market to decide.

I have explained the matter for many times and thoroughly in the past threads but you still can't understand.

If the govt refuses to intervene, most shops would not charge customers for bags.The reasons are  they don't want to profit from p/bags and they are worried they lose some customers when other shops don't charge for bags issued. Many advanced countries, Taiwan, Hong Kong and even China have implemented charging for bags issued. All of them don't use the 'free market' way on this matter.

and you don't understand that not all policies that work overseas will automatically work over here. The environments in different countries are different.

the approach taken to promote the green message and encourage responsible usage of plastic bags is right.

the rest is up to the free market to decide.

Why is it only a few stores in S'pore charge customers for bags issued now (free market situation)? Surely it can't be only these few stores are pro-green and the rest are not.

It is already asked and answered. you even answered that questions yourself!

Debating the issue doesn't mean I don't respect the views of others.

"An intelligent person should be able to see beyond his self-interest. He should be able to see the common good. He can see the proposed way is better than the existing way.

a person shops. a person bring their own bags. a person feel that they are being charge for plastic bags with each purchase. a person feel a discount should be given. a person is not happy. a person starts to ask why am i doing this? does this mean the person cares about the environment? is this not self interest?

a person who bring their own bag and shop do it because they believe in the saving environment. a person do not expect saving or charge. isn't this the message a person who believe in the environment should be saying?

You think I should be very unselfish. What about you?

One person can't 'save' the environment if all others spoil it.

I'll response to your other point in other day.

Why feeling so guilty?

It was written in the third person for a reason. It was meant in general.

ie, if we don't promote "green" message for what it is, and disguise it as some thing else, the message is lost in the long run.

you think you come across as being green or promoting the green ideas? you sound only interested in getting people to charge for plastic bags, nothing else.

if you bring your own bags when shopping and feel that you should get a discount, just come out and say that.

If businesses don't use money to incentivise ppl to use their own bags, most ppl won't change their old habit.

all well and good for you, but spare a thought for others!

as much as some will want to, not everyone will be able to not use plastic bags for some reason or other. several already explained in other threads about plastic bags. 

Quite frankly if you are serious about going green, there are things out there that are much worst. Why not talk about those instead of always talking about plastic bags?

For instance, why don't pick on mobile devices? how many of us own some kind of mobile device (mobile phone, tablet, laptop)? how often people change it? think about the amount of plastics and chemicals from the batteries discarded. children can be seen carrying mobile phones too these days. do they really need it at that age? or why not pick on people going overseas on holiday? the list goes on .... when it comes to save the environment, there are so many more significant efforts that can be made, why not pick on those?

I just interested on this subject only.

we shouldn't be calling ourselves pro-green if it is only about plastic bags. there is more to being pro-green than about plastic bags.

like it was mentioned before, "if you bring your own bags when shopping and feel that you should get a discount, just come out and say that."

it is much easier to understand such feedback and consider. 

"There are only a few stores which charge customers for bags issued. There is too little choice for ppl who are pro-green to do shopping. "

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You already shown that there are such shops. All you need to do is to find them.

It is now your turn to do your part and buy from them. If you don't want to buy from them, how can you expect others to do so?

There are only a few stores which charge customers for bags issued.

For Ikea store, I believe the number of customers have not reduced after the implementation of bag charges.

A few stores .... that is enough. How did you think aircon at provision shops, food places, etc. began?

Pleased to read one supportive msg.

One point to add is they are free of charge. Of course, the cost of plastic material is inclusive in the prices of the goods.

Rotten wood cannot be craved !!

Are you as stubborn as hard wood?

Both of us are stubborn. The difference is you are on the wrong side and I am on the right side.

Going green is not only about plastic bags.

The way some go on and on about plastic bags gives the wrong impression. What message are we sending when some use less plastic bags, but see nothing wrong with changing a new mobile devices regular? Imagine a child tells their parents to use less plastic bags, but grow up thinking that just using less plastic bags is enough?

Come on, please stop lecturing people about plastic bags and start focusing on the real meaning about recycling, reusing, and responsible usage.  

This topic is about p/bags.

If the idea of charging for plastic bag is good, those who believe will shop from shops charging for plastic bags. If the idea of charging for plastic bag is bad, shoppers will not shop there. It is up to shoppers to decide.

And please stop associating charging for plastic with being pro-green. Someone already posted that this thread is about plastic bags, not about being green, so why bother to even bring it up? According to that comment, it is not relevant for discussion.

You want free bags and others also want free bags.So tell me which shops want to charge customers for bags?

If stores charge customer for bags issued is not pro-green, why do they do that?

What are your real motives for opposing bag charges?Are your motives pro-green?

Why has Ikea sucessful impemented bag charges?Shoppers make their decision!

Business should facilitate shoppers to go green.Then shoppers decide.

Q: "You want free bags and others also want free bags.So tell me which shops want to charge customers for bags?"

Reply : If those who believe in charging for plastic bags don't want to shop at these shops that charge for plastic bags, then why should others be charged for it?


Q: "If stores charge customer for bags issued is not pro-green, why do they do that? What are your real motives for opposing bag charges?Are your motives pro-green?"

Reply: I did not say that. As mentioned, "Someone already posted that this thread is about plastic bags, not about being green". Read the thread. Someone posted that this thread is about plastic bags only.

Plus there is more to being green than just plastic bags. If you are pro-green, you should also talk about those instead of plastic bags only.


Q: "Why has Ikea sucessful impemented bag charges?Shoppers make their decision!"

Reply: Ikea is an isolated case. They sell mostly furniture that mostly cannot be fit into a plastic bag. How to compare to other types of businesses? Do you go there for our daily/ weekend grocery shopping? Thus how can you say that shopper already decided.

You don't know how to answer my questions properly or you just want to win,

The same can be said about your replies.

If you are right, I will let you win.

How much of these small items make up IKEA total sales revenue in Singapore?

Plus have to considered the amount of paper and plastic packaging use for shipping of furniture items?

You can hold on to your stand.To me, the issue is simple.