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Heh, we are learning fast! But please don't do it to our children. They won't learn anything from us if we keep parroting this.

Fat MaMa

COWARDS are 17 year olds, who think the Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore has to show them respect first, then it is considered the Deputy Prime Minister "earned" their respect!?

Pui !

You mean respect is an entitlement? Then why accuse Singaporeans of having a sense of "entitlement"?

Fat MaMa

Have you been in the Army?

I bet you said "Yes, corporal" or "Yes, Sir" a thousand times!?

Have you been in the Army?

I bet you said "Yes, corporal" or "Yes, Sir" a thousand times!?

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In the army?  You said "Yes, corporal" or "Yes, Sir" a thousand times!?
Out of fear, that is not out of respect. Try saying no and get throw into detention barrack.
Will you dare to say no?
In the army they can't take no for an answer, since instruction must be followed through without question.
Can the army fight and win a war, if the commander instructed the men to charge and they say, NO, or start to argue till the cows come home? So those  "Yes, corporal" or "Yes, Sir" are just following orders and has got nothing to do with respect.
Honestly, if you ever been in the army, you will hear the soldier cursing and swearing behind the corporals & officers, so much for the respect.

You wrote a long story.

In the Army, you HAD to respect the RANK, whether you like it or not. That's the point.

The person holding the Corporal rank did nothing to earn your respect, but you had to RESPECT the (his) RANK.

It is the same with the OFFICE, it does not matter who is in OFFICE, you had to respect the OFFICE (the Minister).

In this society and in the ARMY, there MUST be PROTOCOL and RESPECT. 

"Fat MaMa" 

"have you been in the ARMY......."

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Sorry.............and you probably haven't?

Given all these replies to you, isn't it clear that I don't need to answer your question? Remember, don't underestimate others. You may find yourself surrounded by those who disagree with you. But do you see us disrepecting you? Hope that you can find some enlightenment here. Thanks.

"Given all these replies to you, isn't it clear that I don't need to answer your question? Remember, don't underestimate others. You may find yourself surrounded by those who disagree with you. But do you see us disrepecting you? Hope that you can find some enlightenment here. Thanks. "

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Was that you "Fat MaMa"? (You did not sign off, departing from your usual).

I do not underestimate others either. 

And I already find myself surrounded by people who disagree with me. And that's fine. But afterall, I am here to change their (your) mind, if I can to put forth sensible discussions and arguments.

And in this case, or most cases, there is continued exchange and disagreement to the "Respect" for Government.

And you know what, I still think many do not or cannot differentiate the difference.
 
And I will continue to argue the course, that the Government (the Office) deserve our Respect. They do NOT have to EARN it.

There are other points I made why I think so to support my argument, like in National Day, below comment.

And I expound further. 

The Announcer does not say "Those who Respect the PM (The President).......Please stand. Those who do not respect the PM can sit?!"     

Get it?!
 
It is the OFFICE we are standing up for. It is the NATION we are standing up for. Those (the person) who hold that office is deserving RESPECT merely because he is representing the OFFICE.

Thanks for reminding me. I have forgotten to sign off.

Regarding your last sentence on respect I see your point of contention. Without having to deal with the meaning and philosophy of respect, there is a difference between your perception of the word and those who disagreed with you. Your "respect" is what others call "blind obedience". It is the recognition of those in authority by virtue of their position. These days, repect is respect - an admiration of what someone has done. So it is very much about the person occupying the position, rather than the positon.

I am glad that you have a mission trying to change others through meaningful discussions. But to do so, you must be opened to changes too. It has to be a two-way process because no one person is right all the time or wrong all the time. If we can exchange our thoughts meaningfully here, we will all learn and change for the better. In fact, since I started blogging here I have learnt a lot from all of you and I thank God for it. Regardless of views or convictions, it has been a pleasure to read and engage fellow Singaporeans here. Thanks again.

Fat MaMa

Thanks Fat MaMa, for taking the trouble to read and understand my views.

I think basically everyone wants and needs to be understood.

Well perhaps together we can work better to improve all our lots in here.

Though we may not agree with each other all the time, we owe it to ourselves to get "there".

I know you may not be able to "see" me, as I "see" you, but you should be able to spot me out here and there, though I wish to remain "Guest", while you have penned "Fat MaMa".

And I will always be the "Defender of the TRUTH". (no...that wont be my identifier)

Cheers!   

 

Have you been in the Army?

I bet you said "Yes, corporal" or "Yes, Sir", a thousand times without even "realising" it!?

"Unfortunately, many Singaporeans and REACH-tizens, cannot differentiate the difference."

Yes, your holier-than-thou attitude is a GREAT way of showing you know what is respect and that you practice what you preach.

R*tard.

Spas*tic
 
(Respect? Clearly none reserved for you!)

Respect is earned. There is a difference between compliance and respect. You can comply to a person have respect for him and you can comply to a person and don't give a crap about him.

Saying yes sir, no sir doesn't give a person respect. You're just being compliant. Or in the OP's (original Poster) case, a sheep.   Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.

A National OFFICE (holder), dont have to earn your respect.

You have to "respect" it anyhow.

Do you trample on the Nation's flag? (Well, it's only a fabric or a piece of cloth you might say?!)

Cowards (as in the Pre-U Episode) usually dont reserve respect for others and for our Office holders, until they have to delete their blogs and apologise.

(Nursery rhymes. I hope you are not reading them for self erudition)

I'm sorry, but respect goes 2 ways. Takes 2 hands to clap.

I respect the flag because its a representation of my country where I'm born in. That's the difference.
A man in a office? He's just a man in a suit. People put him into power, people can take him out of the power. You want our respect? Show us why the people deem you're worth being put into power.
Nursery Rhymes? I like nursery rhymes. Doesn't anyone? I tell them to my little boy.

Your views.

As you said, 2 hands to clap. Yours and the Ministers. They have to "earn" it from you?!

When your child, shows you dis-respect, will you be inflamed? (He may feel as you, you have to "earn" it as well?) 

Yours and your child. (as opposed to yours and the Minister's)

Remember, A minister is a public servant. Our taxes make up their pay. So yes they need to earn our respect.

You are FUNNY!

AAAh correct - not careful you may get sued and also maybe landed into ISA. It is very common.