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The nation has provided multi-storey parking for hdb estates but not for private estates which is unfair since everybody pays taxes according to their incomes and private estates have no spending on this taxes that have been imposed unlike spending on multi-storey parking for hdb estates.

The calling therefore to be fair in terms of parking spending, private estates too should have spending allocated for multi-storey parking but as such it is not provided for.

In a sense, the nation is owing in terms of parking multi-storey parking for private estates.

As for the arguments that public roads should be on first come first serve basis, In what way it is valid for who comes who first since outsiders are not living in the community and since a basis has been set for hdb parking that priority for residents of hdb parking for those living in the community?

Any calls therefore for first come first serve basis must also be practised in fairness for hdb parking and not just private estate parking.

Very good, what rights does outsiders which is similar to "foreigners" have in imposing their views on Singaporeans and invading into Singapore competing for space and land?

What kind of crooked logic is this? If you think outsiders are infringing on your legal rights to the parking space, by all means take them to court. Don't kpkb and bring some irrelevant issues into this matter.

There is no crooked logic, it is only your view that it is crooked logic. Nobody says about infringing on rights. It is your assumption and view that it is about rights. It is stated clearly that there are interrelated issues of community living and other issues. It is also stated clearly that it is simplistic to view as public roads and now simply as rights. There is also another unspoken issue of governance. Question to us is it doesn't appear that you can see beyond one issue and simply label it as crooked logic to simplify things.

Can owners of private estate demanded the same rights as hdb season parking holders? If there are no hdb season parking regulation for the sake of community living for hdb season park, then what can hdb car park owners living in the community do other than take people to court?

If there is no hdb season parking, i would demand the same rights to park my car at certain hdb blks near where i work, I will pay, no problem, pay 1 year also no problem. Can hdb remove hdb season parking then?

Can owners of private estate demanded the same rights as hdb season parking holders to park at hdb season parking and call for removal of hdb season parking if they cannot get the same rights as hdb season parking using logic of free for all and first come first serve basis.

Wiser is a man to switch positions and think from different angles instead of just one.

I want to laugh at your crooked logic.

It is not simply a case for drawing car park lots, outsiders are parking illegally and disobeying the road markings. Some outsiders park on walkways, blocking entrance for big lorries, they never think big trucks will pass by and got to call police to call them to remove the vehicles otherwise stuck the entire day.

For cars within the community, there is no need to call the police, just knock on the door and owners will come out to shift it temporarily if blocking but outsiders come and park illegally entire day and disappear for weeks and trucks or vehicles cannot pass. The fines are still on their windscreens too for weeks.

Please seriously think deeper and see beyond.

What rights of outsiders a.k.a "foreigners" who fight for the need of foreign workers need a place for rest but in the process litter and create a nuisance for residents of Little India hdb flats owners.

On what basis for outsiders a.k.a "foreigners" complaining against residents of Little India who had complained of having to face noise disturbance and nuisance daily since they are living there. Outsider simply has no basis and no rights as they don't live there to face the disturbance and nuisance daily.

That's call community living, the community must have a say, same as how would one feel if foreigners demand Singapore to behave in certain ways in Singapore community. What rights have foreigners
impose demands on Singapore community?

It is simplistic to argue in terms of public roads and who owns the roads.

We hope everybody has improved in their thoughts process with this simple exchange.

Please rebut our views so that we can improve our debating skills.

WHCL