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25 Jul 2011, 10.58AM
Earlier in July, the Ministry of National Development (MND) announced that it is reviewing the Design, Build and Sell Scheme (DBSS) for public flats. DBSS flats are condo-style HDB flats built by private developers, and which come with better finishes and facilities. The scheme was introduced in 2005 to offer greater choice and variety to meet the housing aspirations of higher income households seeking public housing.
 
The pricing mechanism and relevance of DBSS flats became the talk of the town, after it was announced that the indicative price for a top-tier 5-room DBSS flats in Tampines was $880,000. REACH contributors were shocked by what they felt was the “ridiculously high” asking price for what was essentially a HDB flat, with its associated conditions of ownership and sale. Several questioned the Government’s assurance that it is providing affordable public housing to Singaporeans. The subsequent reduction in the price of units by as much as $102,000 appeased some, but at the same time, a few contributors pointed out the massive profits the developer would have pocketed had the public not reacted so strongly to the high indicative prices, leading the developer to cut its prices.
 
This situation had some questioning whether the DBSS scheme is fundamentally flawed, given that it enables private developers, appointed by HDB to provide public housing on public land, to amass huge profits. Contributors also reacted negatively to initial comments by the authorities stating that DBSS flats are not HDB, and that Singaporeans should forgo the project if they find it too costly.
 
The news that the scheme is being reviewed was hence welcomed, with some opining that a review is long overdue. A key point which surfaced is the need for HDB to retain some element of control over pricing even if the project is developed privately, in view of its mandate to ensure that public housing remains affordable. Others called for the scheme to be scrapped altogether, given that HDB Executive Condominiums already cater to the higher-income households seeking public housing.
 
Pending the outcome of the review, land sales for DBSS projects have been suspended.
 
Selected contributor quotes from REACH’s platforms:

“I was shocked to learn that the newly launched HDB 5-room flat costs $880,000.” – Orson Lee, via email
 
“Should a DBSS HDB flat, which comes fitted with flooring, cabinets, trees and bushes around the flats, command such a high premium? It is after all a HDB flat and it is far away from the city.” – David Tan TW, via Discussion Forum
 
“Land for HDB flats is subsidised by taxpayers… so how can it be used as a money-making instrument by private developers, instead of serving the public interest?” – Guest, via Discussion Forum
 
“Even with the lowering in prices of the top-tier units to $778,000, it still works out to $662psf for 5-rooms units… I believe it is still high and has not met the objectives and fundamentals of public housing.” – Raymond Lo Wan Mou, via Discussion Forum
 
 “MND's decision to review the HDB's DBSS is long overdue. The pricing has risen so much that DBSS has priced itself out of the market, compared to executive condominium and private condominium.” – Guest, via Discussion Forum
 
“They (HDB) already got EC, why must they have DBSS…??” - Siti Nor'aini Abdul Samat, via Facebook
 
“The prices of DBSS flats need to be controlled. This will also mean that the sales of land for DBSS will need to be capped so that developers can still make profits at lower price…” Wong Boon Hong, via Facebook
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Guest
16 Aug 2011, 3.21PM
Keeping it in the fami-Lee.

Dr Sim Loo Lee who has been an independent director of Sim Lian since 2003 was a board member of HDB between 2005 and 2009 during which the DBSS scheme was concocted and implemented with Sim Lian being one of the ‘pioneers’.

Sim Lian Group’s executive director Diana Kuik is the wife of PAP losing candidate in Aljunied GRC Ong Ye Kung.

Conflict of interest much much here?

You pass so many polices that supress Citizens, controlling who can get these flats yet you give the developers free reign to charge anything they want and pass all sort of penalties???

This has been the modus operandi of the PAP for the longest time now.  You pass polices that restrict the Citizens, tying our hands and make us captured customers to these busineses that you give free reign to.

From housing, to transport and everything else in between.
Guest
30 Jul 2011, 5.31PM
What is happening to Mr Khaw's promise that the income ceiling review will be looked at.
At the very least, this should be immediately changed from SGD8000 to SGD10,000 even if longer time is required to review a higher income ceiling bracket.

Also, what is happening to the DBSS Bendemeer land? Without such release, citizens of the sandwich class within income bracket of SGD8000-10,000 per month continue to lose out. Is HDB only releasing this land when there is no objection to the currently high DBSS prices?

If DBSS is scrapped, please provide transparency to the Bendemeer land. When will it be released? Will it be released as HDB once the income ceiling for HDB has been raised to 10,000 per month? Bendemeer was meant as DBSS. If yes, then ensure the sandwich class will get to be part of it when it is released in 2011. Not later. And please review income ceiling by then.

HDB has the mandate and trust by citizens in 1960s where HDB acquired land to manage it for the public. What has happened? HDB profiteering from such practices now with little regard to people's welfare and its duty to provide affordable housing?

WHEN WILL THE INCOME CEILING BE REVIEWED?

Please provide concrete date or immediate implementation of an increase even if just a little.
Guest
3 Aug 2011, 7.46AM
IT SHOULD BE COMBINED salary of S$15,000.00 minimum Not S$10,000.00.
Guest
24 Aug 2011, 1.11AM
EC scheme should be reviewed as well. Similar to EC, the developers try to maximise profits by bidding as low as possible and selling as high as possible. This comes at the expense of mostly first timers who are forced to buy due to the supply crunch.

Take a look at the recent EC launches, it is common to see 3 bedrooms with floor space of 1000 sf, where the master bedroom (largest room) can barely house a queen size bed and leave sufficient walking space. Definitely if the owner grows old and requires a wheelchair, there is no way for the wheelchair to fit in the room.
Guest
26 Jul 2011, 10.06AM
so the people who bought the more recent DBSS such as Toa Payoh, because they could not get BTO even after trying so long, are the losers. HDB should provide such people an option to cancel the purchase. Because the purchase was based on helplessness and frustration with the system under the previous regime, which was not acting on feedback, but simply justifying the policies and trying to convince people that their turn will come under BTO. How many years do you'll expect people to try before you push them into a corner and they have to seriously think about more expensive options that will keep them in debt for a lifetime? Just so they can have a roof over their head and finally start a family before they hit their late thirties.
Guest
27 Aug 2011, 3.33PM
HDB flat is no longer affordable, for the next generation, even they slog for 30 years wont be enough to pay off the rediculous high price

the prices are out of reach, too expensive

who knows next time you need 500,000k to have a 3 room hdb...

god bless spore
Guest
11 Oct 2011, 9.20PM
HDB should not be price so expensive.

HDB was first start as an aim to provide affordable housing. I suggest maximum price of HDB to be cap at affordable rate for Singaporeans.
 
I also hope to voice out the need of  controlling resale price HDB flats which indirectly cause new HDB price to soar.

This are some of my suggestions:
-Don't allow PR to buy HDB flats if age below 35
-Except lesser new citizens
-Don't allow PR singles to buy any HDB flats as it will not be fair to Singaporeans sIngles.
-Increase more HDB flats and make quota for max number of PR per HDB flat.
Guest
28 Aug 2011, 9.35PM
I agree with some of the comments here, previously my flat bathroom floor was repaired by HDB sub-contractor and the workers told my his boss was a ex-board of directors of HDB and that's how they get the job thru' tenders.... and halo the quality of the job is so badly done cos the boss do not allow the Malaysian to have his lunch break....eventhough I see it as not a big deal to take half an hour break as it will not affect the repair work....sigh sometimes I pity them,,,,
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Black Hei
6 Sep 2011, 4.45PM
A way around this issue of affordability is to have a moving wage cap for different developments. 

The more expensive the development, the higher the wage cap. Let the wage cap be a formula based on median income of respective target group at the time of the release of the property.

Next set a fixed ratio for release of Standard HDB vs EC / DBSS (whats the difference between EC and DBSS anyway? Wierd)

This ratio needs to reflect the income distribution in Singapore so that the lower income are not marginalised. Let the ratio be derived based on the data gleaned from official data.  

In fact it will be useful to have this constitutionalised so that future governments will not be able to release too many high end projects. I think HDB practises a ratio of some kind but it will be good to get it out into the open just to shut the naysayers.

I do not think that ECs or DBSS should be abolished due to some knee ***** reaction. They can still function effectively as a bridge between private and HDB standard if correct measures are installed.

(Newbie)
kbk
8 Sep 2011, 7.42AM
I just saw the EC at Tampines and was attracted to it. The price is actually cheap if you compare with the private market. So for me it actually serve as a great opportunity to own a condo that is more affordable.

As EC are built to cater for those who are better off, I have found the grant/subsidies provided as rather unnnecessary and I would recommend for these to be scrapped or reduced significantly.

Despite having raised the income limit to $12,000, I still think that amount is not sufficient and should be raised further. I have noted  that the most expensive EC at Tampinese is around 1.2million. I cannot understand the rational for only allowing couples with combine income of less than $12,000 to buy significantly pricer EC and deprive those whose income ceiling has already exceeded this amount.

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